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September 10, 2022
The One and Only--Slobodan Milošević At The ICTY Part I

The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia was a creature of NATO. This is something NATO boasted about. As such, its job was to exonerate and justify NATO, as well as NATO's allies in the Balkans, while reserving its full penal wrath against NATO's official enemy--the Serbs of Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Serbs of Croatia and of course the Serbs of Serbia.

The ICTY's chief target was Slobodan Milošević--the "head Serb," to use Richard Holbrooke's derogatory characterization. It excitedly put him on trial, charging him with genocide, crimes against humanity and for responsibility for every calamity that befell Yugoslavia from the 1980s on. With typical NATO, and U.S. and British arrogance, the ICTY failed to appreciate how clever and skillful Milošević would prove to be. Everything ICTY prosecutors threw at him, he disdainfully threw back at them. He showed up their ignorance as well as the absurdity of their convoluted legal theories. And then suddenly--he died, in ICTY custody.

Here is Milošević attempting to cross-examine General Wesley Clark, Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during NATO's 1999 bombing campaign. He it was who was responsible for the bombing of the refugee convoys, the marketplaces, the hospitals, the old age pensioners' homes, the passenger trains, the television stations and of course the Chinese embassy. The ICTY went out of its way to protect Clark from any probing cross-examination. Count the number of times "Judge" May interrupts Milošević.

One more thing: Many very stupid people on the antiwar Right and Left seized on a remark Wesley Clark made in 2003 that he had been told in November 2001 that the Bush administration was planning to attack seven Muslim states.

Game, Set and Match! High-fives, everybody! That's it--proof positive of what he had known all along about the evils of George W. Bush.

There is a particular kind of stupid that makes a home among the antiwar crowd. Its members are ready to forget everything they were supposed to have learned from experience just in order to score some silly debaters' points. Let me disabuse these silly children. Wesley Clark lied over and over again during the 1999 campaign. Thus, nothing he says should be believed unless it comes with convincing documentation. This of course Clark has failed to provide,

Clark made no mention of this 2001 Bush "plan" until 2003 when he began to plan his deceitful campaign for president in 2003. (It was deceitful because his goal all along was to pretend to be "anti-war" in order to defeat any genuine "anti-war" candidate seeking the Democratic Party nomination.) Clark never named the general who supposedly informed him about this Bush "plan." And Clark never presented any record of this "memo" he claimed to have seen.

What Clark was doing was obvious: The 2004 presidential election was on the horizon. The Iraq war was becoming very unpopular, and there was a serious danger that the Democrats would nominate an "anti-Iraq war" candidate. George McGovern's quixotic and hopeless 1972 campaign loomed large in the imagination of media and political establishment. What better way to head off this nightmare than to rally behind a pseudo-"antiwar" candidate such as Wesley Clark? You would have to be really stupid to believe that Clark would bring the U.S. intervention in Iraq to an end. But stupid is as stupid does, and many people were taken in by Clark's campaign--and particularly by his uncorroborated claims about secret Bush "plans."

Clark accomplished his mission. He knocked out of consideration Howard Dean who, incidentally, was also fraudulently posing as the "antiwar" candidate.

Anyway, enjoy Milošević. His cleverness, his humor and his bravery should never be forgotten.

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The Gaggle Music Club: Saint-Saëns’s Piano Concerto No. 2

This week’s selection for The Gaggle Music Club is Saint-Saëns’s Piano Concerto No. 2 in G minor, Op. 22.

Composed in 1868, while Camille Saint-Saëns was living in Paris, the concerto was a rushed job. Legendary Russian pianist-conductor Anton Rubinstein was visiting Paris, and he wanted to conduct a brand-new piano concerto, one composed by Saint-Saëns, with the Frenchman as soloist.

Saint-Saëns, then 32, had already composed two piano concertos and his international reputation was growing as a composer and as a virtuoso pianist.

Rubinstein announced that he would conduct a concert in Paris in mid-May and expected Saint-Saëns to have a new concerto ready by that date. Faced with this deadline, Saint-Saëns wrote a concerto one at incredible speed--essentially in 17 days.

The concerto did indeed premiere on May 13 at Salle Pleyel in Paris, with Saint-Saëns as soloist and Rubinstein as conductor. Given the constraints of time, there were barely any rehearsals. Though critics found ...

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November 23, 2025
TG 2018: Europeans Launch Attack On Trump's 28-Point Ukraine Plan

George Szamuely and Peter Lavelle discuss this weekend's concerted onslaught by NATO's European contingent on President Trump's 28-point peace plan for Ukraine, and wonder whether the attack will succeed.

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November 11, 2025
Monday Night At The Movies

Please choose which one of the following 8 movies you would like to have screened next Monday, Nov. 17.

The theme is "fakes, fraudsters and conmen."

Please continue to vote after Nov. 17, so that we can determine the runner-up. The runner-up will be screened on Nov. 24.

ahahaha this is so predictable
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The US has rewritten the peace agreement draft

The White House stated that the current version "reflects the interests of Ukraine" and is aimed at ensuring a "sustainable and just peace."

“Any future agreement must fully respect Ukraine's sovereignty,"
— emphasized the Trump administration.

The parties agreed to continue refining the draft in the coming days.

This “peace plan” will be dead on arrival.

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January 21, 2023
More Leftie Than Thou
"Jacobin" Magazine Celebrates A Strike Against Ol' Blue Eyes

Here at "The Gaggle" we have very little time for the "more Leftie than thou" school of thought--that's the approach to life according to which the only thing that matters is whether you take the right position on every issue under the sun from Abortion to Zelensky. No one in the world meets the exacting standards of this school of thought; any Leftie leader anywhere is always selling out to the bankers and the capitalists. The perfect exemplar of this is the unreadable Jacobin magazine. 

The other day I came across this article from 2021. It's a celebration of trade union power. And not simply trade union power, but the use of trade union power to secure political goals. Of course (and this is always the case with the "more Leftie than thou" crowd), this glorious, never-to-be-forgotten moment on the history of organized labor took place many years ago--in the summer of 1974 to be exact. Yes, almost half a century has gone by since that thrilling moment when the working-class movement of Australia mobilized and prepared to seize the means of production, distribution and exchange. 

Well, not quite. Organized labor went into action against...Ol' Blue Eyes, the Chairman of the Board, the Voice; yes, Frank Sinatra. Why? What had Sinatra done? Sinatra was certainly very rich, and he owned a variety of properties and businesses. But if the Australian trade union movement were, understandably, searching for the bright, incandescent spark that would finally awaken the working class from its slumber there were surely richer, greedier, more dishonest, more decadent, above all more Australian individuals it could have discovered. Australia was never short of them. Rupert Murdoch immediately springs to mind. Why Sinatra?

 

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